My wife has a Llama.380 she inherited from her step-father. I'm trying to identify it. I know the basic history of Llama but I'm not sure exactly what model we have.
The serial number is 563842 which I.think. puts production somewhere around 1970-ish. Also, based on the fact there are no vents in the rib, I believe it's a IIIA, series 2, variation 3. This is all based on my research online but I'm certainly not 100%. I'll take and post photos if that will help.
It's not a bad shooting little gun. Much more accurate than I expected. My last question: any idea on value? My wife has no sentimental attachment to it so we'd like to possibly sell or trade.
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While I have shot a few Llama's, I passed on buying them because Spain was their factory and sales. There was an importer but I never could get through to them on the phone and they never replied to my emails. I loved the feel of the weapons, however, but looked them up and noticed prices were about what a comparable taurus was. I'll repeat I liked the guns, just couldn't seem to locate parts or service for them. Just my 2 cents and I would urge ya to get alot of imput before letting go of your hard earned cash.
Some of the older Llama, especially those imported by Stoeger in the 60s-70s, were well made and quality weapons. As the years progressed, and Spain was undergoing a lot of economic problems, a number of Spanish gun makers started having problem, and some of the quality dropped.
I had a very nice Llama 1911 in 9mm. Heavy, shot very well, and was well made. Most of it was correct 1911, but when I needed to get a broken hammer hook replaced, standard GI parts didn't work. (It came to me that way.) My gunsmith installed a new Ed Brown Hammer and another maker's SEAR, both standard 1911, and the gun was fine - but neither would work with the other stock Llama part. I don't know if anything else was not standard.
I'd buy another one like that - but would be shy about buying some made from 1990-on. I'd at least get someone to look it over who knew something about guns, before buying. The prices you quoted seem VERY high, to me. $350 - $400 would be more like what I've seen over the years. First off its good to see your interested in Spanish pistols. I my self, love Spanish made weapons.
I have had a number of them, from different manufacturers, pistols and rifles, over the years. Although i have never had a Llama, iv looked at some, and shot one of them before, and came very close to getting one at onetime or another. What is the market price for them? You would have to let us know what kind of Llama pistols they were specifically. Llama made a lot of different 9mms and.45s.
As for his price being overinflated, at $500-$600 for each, to me yes his price is very inflated. If they are just standard models not customized, then $500-$600 for both sounds more like it to me. Check Gun Broker to get a better idea of prices for Llamas. How reliable are they? Well you are right about the reviews being mixed. Llama had quality control issues it seems, some pistols are just fine and some not so much, it is a mixed bag.
If you can try them out before you buy, that would be a very good idea. If they function properly when you try them, then maybe you got some good ones. But it seems to me that reliability is on a pistol to pistol basis with Llamas. After market support? There is not any to speak of Llama, and the co-operative that bought its holdings in 2000, went out of business in 2005. Other than some things like mags and holsters, no one really makes anything for them any more, what parts are out there is all thats left. But its that way with most Spanish pistols, witch has not discouraged me from owning them.
Not to dissuade you form getting the Llamas. But i would recommend if you are interested in a Spanish made pistol, to try a STAR iv had a few of them and they are very good pistols. Good prices, very good reliability, good reviews, about the same as the Llamas when it comes to after market support. Try a STAR and try those Llamas if you can, you mite really like Spanish pistols after you do. Hope this all helps.
If you'll trade any Weatherby for a pair of Llamas, contact me, I have some bridges for sale, cheap! Had a couple of Llamas in the mid 80s. The auto was the.45 with the tiny vent rib (don't remember the model name), and the other was a Comanche.357. The.357 would reliably fire 4 rounds from each cylinder full.
But not the same 4 rounds each time!:eek: The auto would extract and eject 3-4 cases from each magazine of 7. The other 3-4 you had to drop the mag and cycle the slide a few times to get them out. Traded them to a tinkerer friend who knew what he was getting. Since then, the only Llama-ish thing in my house is an alpaca wool poncho the wife has. It actually works!;). If anyone has any mags that hold 9 rounds of 9mm, a set of wrap around pachmayr grips, or any other spare parts i need some.
The grips are a little nicked up and only have one mag for it. I do know that others have said that midway had some grips but i have not found any on their site. Mine works great we have had around 800 rounds through mine in the past 2-3 years and we have not had many problems out of it.
There were just a couple FTE and FTF in this particular gun, and that's just because of a low amount of oil was on it, and it is surprisingly accurate. Shooting fist sized groups at 20 yards free shooting not rest shooting. I like mine but do not know how any other works, this is the only llama i've owned. Like others have said, Llama (pronounced Yama) made everything from junk to high quality and everywhere in between. Parts for many models are impossible to find. Luckily, I owned one that would take parts from standard 1911 pistols (except the grips). It was a Llama 1911,.45acp with brushed stainless finish, a match grade barrel, and I used Colt mags.
The frame was manufactured by Beretta and it was actually extremely acurate & reliable. Beretta built some of Llama's frames and parts starting in the late 80's.
The guy that owned it before me was using it as a match/target pistol. I paid $350 for it and, regretfuly, ended up selling it for $550. Even though I sold for more then I paid, I regret ever selling it. It was one of the better ones produced by Llama & a really great shooting pistol. It looks a little funny with the mounts & scope in place, but make no mistake, it was a performer.
Does any one know if 38 super mags will work in the 9mm llama 1911? I heard that someone only uses 38 super mags in his and he said that they are much easier to find. So i got on cdnninvesments.com and found out that he was right, they had like 7 or 8 different ones to pick from and they were cheaper than the 9mm mags. If anyone knows then please tell me, i would then have a way of getting new mags for only 12.99 a piece.(the link to the 38 super mag on cdnn).
I would say he is asking 3x as much as they are worth. I have never seen any.380, 9mm or.45 Llama semi auto pistols that I would have paid more than $50.00 for. I just didn't (and don't), care for them, as they felt cheap, although a friend had one once, a.45 pistol, 1911 copy and it was very accurate. But I wouldn't buy it, as he wanted $200, which was $150 more than I valued it at, and that was 20 years ago.
There are plenty who disagree and love Llama pistols. Then again, I love Taurus handguns, and many on here despise them. Many don't like Astra pistols, but one of the most accurate little 9MM's I ever shot or owned was an Astra A-80, a Sig copy. I should have kept that one too.:rolleyes: To each their own. That being said, I WAS very impressed with a.357 Llama Commanche 6' revolver another buddy had about 25 years ago, and I DID want that one, but was broke at that time and couldn't afford it. Nice bluing, locked up tight, quite accurate.
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I have been keeping an eye out for another ever since. I aquired a Llama 9mm(has 6 shot clip 1 in chamber?)in the mid to late 70s from a friend who needed the money. At the time he told me he had never shot the gun. I never shot the gun either. Over the years the gun has been my fathers possession, who also, has never shot the gun. It still has the same 3 bullets in the clip as when my friend origionally got it. My father occasionally oiled and cleaned it over the last 30 some years.
So I assume it's in pretty good shape. Over the years my friend has repeatedly asked to buy it back, but I wouldn't sell. Now I'm the one who needs the money. He offered me 475.00 to get back. Should I jump on it or does he know something I don't.
I love the Llama pistols. Some swear by them and some swear at them.
Llama had good periods and bad periods but in the day, they were the cheaper end 1911s. I own around 15 Llamas and owned as many as 20-25 at one time. All of them work fine but I also work on pistols so that may have something to do with it. I also stock Llama parts. Someone asked for Llama 9mm mags. I do have several. The Llama.380 with the locked breech is truly a miniature 1911 and is a nice, little gun.
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In the 70's Llama changed to a blowback design on the.380s. Llama made a lot of.38Super and 9mm Largo guns for the European market. They were very nice guns for that period. They prefer the hotter European ammo to function at their best. Don't knowck them unless you've owned them.
They are a lot nicer than you've heard though they did make more than their fair share of lemons. Llama's last gasp was their Max series. These were the closest to the 1911 design. I have a full size one in 9mm that is incredibly nice, accuare and reliable. They also came in.40S&W and.45ACP on their full size frames. Their sub-compact Warthog type.45 was a roughly made gun and is a hit or miss gun. The small frame.32,.380 and.22LR Max series are also nice pistols for the money.
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Llama's best offerings were their Especial models. They seemed to be the best made and highest quality. They were mainly made in the 60s and are worth more than the other lines produced later. Their.22LR Especial is also a miniature 1911 but is a blowback design but it looks and feels like a 1911. Llamas usually sell for around $250-$300 and a little more for the Especial line and the really nice.22LRs get up to near $400. They are nice, attractive and fun little 1911s. If you collect 1911s then you should have a few Llama Especials in your collection, especially the small frames.
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